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I'm going to try to bring back the chatroom that was previously associated with the group for this forum.

I mean make no mistake, we know that the group has been more or less dead for years, save for the odd person who stumbled in hoping that the watchers will see what they submit. And the problem from the beginning was trying to use deviantart chatrooms for philosophy, thinking it would get more than a few people. So I'm making it a discord room now. Its not really very connected to the old group, but its its spiritual successor.

discord.gg/012OE9ge1GbmdqbZD
Relevant paper:

www.academia.edu/5488726/Reali…

Brute emergence, or strong emergentism is the anti-scientific theory that things are capable of having properties that aren't built out of the properties of the building blocks they are made out of. The other form of emergence, known as weak emergence is compatible with what we know about science, because many things can have properties at a macro scale that are meaningless at a mini-scale, but that you can extrapolate how they would act when put together. For instance, one water molecule is not properly defined as a fluid when sitting by itself, but it has the properties that are called fluid when a lot of them are put together to react. Etc etc. Most people don't think about this day to day, but are fine with the idea once having it explained to them for the most part.

However, it seems like there's one obvious exception that atheists are almost as likely to demand be treated as an exception as religious people are. And that's consciousness. Despite being okay with recognizing strong emergence as non scientific in other areas, suddenly they are okay wiggling and skirting around the fact that many of them think consciousness simply comes into existence out of nowhere at specific times, rather than being an abstract universal property of the world in general that simply manifests in more visible ways at times. And will actively shy away from having to admit that abstract latent conscious properties would have to be immanent in the physical world as a whole in all matter in less visible ways to make sense of its presence scientifically. In other words, its more obvious appearance being a case of weak emergence, rather than strong emergence.

The exception, or "strong emergence" as it is called has another historical name. That name being "magic." What's more, if you accept that things can generate properties that aren't built out of their building blocks, its inconsistent to not accept this as a viable explanation at other times. Since it would be rather bizarre if this happened in only exactly one type of case in all the universe. (To say nothing about the fact that if the properties aren't part of matter itself, its unclear where it even comes from.)

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Well, I guess this is where I'll put my more important book-related things. For the time being, they'll be divided by chapter names, or whatever; since the whole thing doesn't have a title yet. Also, some of them are kind of like drafts. I'll fix them once I'm actually good at writing.

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Note. This is all in the order it's supposed to come in. However, there are obviously big gaps in-between, for parts that haven't been written yet.
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h-irsch Featured By Owner Edited Jan 4, 2015  Student Digital Artist
To continue our discussion, may you revise your question once more?

I apologize for how late of a response this is... ATT has been a bugger.
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EnuoCale Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I have no clue who you are.
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h-irsch Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015  Student Digital Artist
It's good to see you lack a memory.
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Thanks for the llama!!
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holla holla get macca
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>There are people right now who are legitimately frat boy autistic libertarian chaos aligned gaians.
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Thanks so much for paying a visit to :iconthewayofloveandlight: :heart:
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